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Things are aardvark in a food mixer insane at the moment. I will update properly and answer comments in due course I promise.
During the meanwhile all UK flavoured people rejoice for Lo! The Texan Bar has returned to us. Verily have I missed its chewy goodness and I rejoice that I shall once again have the chance to lose a filling while munching on it's chocolatey goodness.
Oh and Darth Rich sent me another great bit of animation which I thought I'd share. It actually reminds me of my own response to post on particular subjects in fandom. Infact I could really use that as an icon for whenever I read any of the following:
1. Any description of a character's eyes which utilizes the words "jade", "orbs" "greens", "tawny", "golden" "pools", "amethyst", "moss coloured", "chocolate", "mahogany" etc etc: - Please just stop. I get that they have eyes. I get that their eyes are pretty. Now shush.
2. The assumption that being a bottom and/or submissive is a character flaw and makes you weak. Usually accompanied by the argument that writing [insert character name here] as a bottom and/or submissive is feminisation of that character and grossly OOC:- Usually spouted by people with little or no actual knowledge or experience of D/s or power exchange play. One of these days I shall write a learned response about how a preference for vanilla sex clearly indicates a repressed sexual preference for necrophilia, low self esteem as well as a delusional view of equality in relationships.
3. [insert pairing of choice] is the only possible and acceptable pairing. Any other pairing is immoral, wrong and gross character abuse: - Stop justifying your choice in porn. No one cares.
4. BDSM is abusive, unnatural and immature. All dominants are evil sadists: - I'm still at a loss as to how people can make comments like this and then be surprised when I am offended? Please also see response to Point 2.
5. [insert fandom of choice] was so much better back in the day when [insert name of various well known writers who left the fandom 2 years ago] were writing. This goes hand in hand with the 'I remember when it was all zines/mailing lists/hand carved stone tablets and I hate this move to [insert latest fandom medium]' conversation: - Just kill me now. Seriously.
6. I don't read slash for the sex:- Bzuh! No really? What do you read it for then? The relationship? But isn't that just sex with a prettier wrapper and less squelching noises? The close friendship between two men? Um, isn't that gen fic? I dunno, maybe I'm just not intellectual enough to grasp all the layered meanings behind it all..
7. Gorilla rape stories and lactating men:- I am scarred emotionally for life. Nuff said.
*grins*
And on that note I leave to go watch Whisper of The Heart
During the meanwhile all UK flavoured people rejoice for Lo! The Texan Bar has returned to us. Verily have I missed its chewy goodness and I rejoice that I shall once again have the chance to lose a filling while munching on it's chocolatey goodness.
Oh and Darth Rich sent me another great bit of animation which I thought I'd share. It actually reminds me of my own response to post on particular subjects in fandom. Infact I could really use that as an icon for whenever I read any of the following:
1. Any description of a character's eyes which utilizes the words "jade", "orbs" "greens", "tawny", "golden" "pools", "amethyst", "moss coloured", "chocolate", "mahogany" etc etc: - Please just stop. I get that they have eyes. I get that their eyes are pretty. Now shush.
2. The assumption that being a bottom and/or submissive is a character flaw and makes you weak. Usually accompanied by the argument that writing [insert character name here] as a bottom and/or submissive is feminisation of that character and grossly OOC:- Usually spouted by people with little or no actual knowledge or experience of D/s or power exchange play. One of these days I shall write a learned response about how a preference for vanilla sex clearly indicates a repressed sexual preference for necrophilia, low self esteem as well as a delusional view of equality in relationships.
3. [insert pairing of choice] is the only possible and acceptable pairing. Any other pairing is immoral, wrong and gross character abuse: - Stop justifying your choice in porn. No one cares.
4. BDSM is abusive, unnatural and immature. All dominants are evil sadists: - I'm still at a loss as to how people can make comments like this and then be surprised when I am offended? Please also see response to Point 2.
5. [insert fandom of choice] was so much better back in the day when [insert name of various well known writers who left the fandom 2 years ago] were writing. This goes hand in hand with the 'I remember when it was all zines/mailing lists/hand carved stone tablets and I hate this move to [insert latest fandom medium]' conversation: - Just kill me now. Seriously.
6. I don't read slash for the sex:- Bzuh! No really? What do you read it for then? The relationship? But isn't that just sex with a prettier wrapper and less squelching noises? The close friendship between two men? Um, isn't that gen fic? I dunno, maybe I'm just not intellectual enough to grasp all the layered meanings behind it all..
7. Gorilla rape stories and lactating men:- I am scarred emotionally for life. Nuff said.
*grins*
And on that note I leave to go watch Whisper of The Heart
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I think you worded things confusingly. As re-expressed, I don't have a problem with your view, but I resist any idea that slash == sex, because slash is about the *people* (and the gender of the people). I loathe people calling slash 'porn' in all seriousness. There is a shitload of slash which your maiden aunt could read out loud to her Sunday School class (if you have a broadminded aunt and one of the more liberal wings of an enlightened church :) ). There is a shitload of het (actually labelled 'gen' because omigod no pooftahs!) which is positively squirm-making to read in the privacy of one's own bathroom!
If you remove any sexual aspect of the relationship then you have two people who are close friends and that's a gen story.
*If* the content of the story doesn't otherwise make it adult. Because sex is not the only fruit :)
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*grins*
Actually I worded like that deliberately to provoke this kind of reaction. It really depends on your definition of sex and I've already explained that.
I'm a little confused by the comment about it being about people. Gen fic is about people. Slash is about people who happen to be of the same sex who are sexually attracted to each other. Het is about people of the different sex who are sexually attracted to each other. As I said you have to have the sexual attraction in there. You don't have to be remotely explicit about it. Hence the use of the word sex not porn in my original point.
Although now I'm wondering about the definition of people and where aliens and tentacle hermaphrodite sex fits in. *starts laughing*
ANYWAY. I consider slash as porn for a whole different set of reasons that are personal to me and my own sexual peccadilloes. That's a whole 'nother ball game and one I am aware I don't share with others :)
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Gen fic is fic suitable for general audiences. Slash can be gen, and still be slash as you and I both define.
Slash - and indeed, any decent story regardless of rating or pairing - is about the people, because if the characters don't involve, convince and beguile you, who the fuck cares how many times they slip each other the sausage? If you are writing slash, then the story has to be about the people, and their relationship *first*. The sex is secondary to that because unless it grows from the relationship as described in the story, it's pointless - in fact, that's when it just becomes a porn story.
You seem to be use gen as an antonym to slash - which is contrary to what turned_earth said and what you seemed to be agreeing with elsewhere. Gen is an antonym to adult, slash is the antonym to het. You can have gen slash, adult het, or any combination you like. Just don't pretend your loving gay guys aren't boinking off-screen, because, like, they *are*!