And, I find her posts disntinctly deserving of the response she gets. Just because she's got enough brains to be open in her contempt doesn't mean she's any less deserving of being slapped for being rude.
However, I've said my bit. I'm extraordinarily drunk at the mo having just spent all day getting pissed with agents and quite frankly I don't care if anyone thinks I'm mean.
I apologised to Sonia cos its her list and I felt bad after I posted for giving her grief. That is the only thing I'm apologising for.
Sonia I love you darling as ever. T stop being bad tempered, what skin off your nose is it if we give this woman a hard time when your not even *in* the HL fandom any more...or so your keep telling us numerous times!
what skin off your nose is it if we give this woman a hard time when your not even *in* the HL fandom any more...
I care because it's making people I used to respect look like utter bitches, and a fandom in which I still have an interest, if not an active role, look mean and really rather vicious. I care because it's manifestly unfair, and I care because you're actually giving this stupid person the oxygen of attention and sympathy and if you just left her alone, she'd wander off to more fertile playing fields. If you really wanted her to shut up, *you'd* shut up. She needs people to feed her her lines.
I think it is disingenuous of people to repeatedly and knowingly violate rules set up to protect them as well as morons, and then 'apologise' in other places. I think it is also disingenuous of list admins to claim authority to deliver smackdowns to morons when they nullify the impact of any admonitions in those other places to their friends.
Maybe I'm just incredibly naive. I've never been able to stand this kind of wolfpack mentality and it's no more attractive delivered at someone like Jeylan than at myself, or anyone else who happens to get on the tits of the alphas in a group. You've become popular and something of a BNF in a fairly short time, Em. Don't abuse that just to work off a grudge on an idiot who's just not worth your intellectual time.
You might also consider this - she may be deliberately offensive, but is it not a sign of some mental instability that she *needs* to do this? It's like some weird online Tourette's syndrome or something. Joust with the able-minded, it's a lot more fun.
First up. I am a bitch. I never pretended to be otherwise. J-Blo seriously pissed me off. I agree that my response wasn't the best idea hence my apology and hence Sonia's smack down. Whether Sonia kicks me off the list is up to her, my post was made with the clear knowledge that this might happen. Hence the apology at the bottom when I posted.
Second. I actually think its far worse to snipe and bitch about someone behind their back. The woman knows I dislike her, I don't hide it. I actualy think its better to respond on list and get it out of my system then snipe in LJ or on private lists or to flame her in private mail. That way there is no pretence. J-Blo has personally insulted and annoyed the fuck out of me both on and off list. I lost the plot a bit. End of story.
Thirdly. How the fuck can I be a BNF when I've not contributed one bloody thing to the HL universe apart from daftness. I would like to think that people talk and respond to me and my posts because they enjoy the repartee and maybe like my company. Not because I have some sort of wanky fandom status. Not only that I could not give a *flying fuck* about making a *name* for myself in fandom. I do this for fun not because I require my ego massaged. I'd do it whether anyone responded to me or not.
Fourthly. I don't not care whether anyone thinks my behaviour is out of order and that includes you T. I don't limit my responses on list or off, in RL or on the internet because of fear of what people may think. I'm honest and sometimes that makes me rude. If people don't like me for that then they don't like me for it.
Fifthly. I don't actually consider my post on ODM that flamey. Its a bit too personal in places which is my bad but I would also be seriously interested in hearing J-Blo's responses to some of the points raised. As someone who has spent a large part of their life fighting gender roles for real I found her comments to be *unbelievably* insulting and naive. Alot of my response wasn't meant to be sarcastic.
Sixthly. Its far more insulting to state someone has mental instablity based on their posts then to call them stupid.
And reading back through my initial response to this post T I should also add I'm not actually expecting anyone to condone my actions nor am I asking anyone to make exceptions for me.
You should definitely not be flamed for having your own opinion on this. The fact I don't agree with you makes very little difference to the fact I still consider you a friend or that I respect your opinions :)
I think I should make it clear to both you and Sonia that while I may disapprove or question your *actions*, that is not the same as disapproving of *you.* I am capable of disliking a person *and* their actions (and their views and their writing abilities and the fact their bum is too big) but I will usually make it cystal clear that this is the case - usually by just ignoring that person.
But like you, I prefer to be upfront with my views and my opinions. however, it has got me into a lot of shit in my life :)
I wasn't aware fuckface had flamed you off-list. I thought she was far to grand to respond to her critics. I hoped you've framed it. You know, for when that pro novel final gets published and she gets the recognition so long and so unfairly denied her. Then you can wipe a tear from your eye and say with a sniff, I too could have been a contender if only I'd listen to Jeylan's advice.
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Actually I think J-Blo is meaning to be offensive..
And, I find her posts disntinctly deserving of the response she gets. Just because she's got enough brains to be open in her contempt doesn't mean she's any less deserving of being slapped for being rude.
However, I've said my bit. I'm extraordinarily drunk at the mo having just spent all day getting pissed with agents and quite frankly I don't care if anyone thinks I'm mean.
I apologised to Sonia cos its her list and I felt bad after I posted for giving her grief. That is the only thing I'm apologising for.
Sonia I love you darling as ever. T stop being bad tempered, what skin off your nose is it if we give this woman a hard time when your not even *in* the HL fandom any more...or so your keep telling us numerous times!
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I care because it's making people I used to respect look like utter bitches, and a fandom in which I still have an interest, if not an active role, look mean and really rather vicious. I care because it's manifestly unfair, and I care because you're actually giving this stupid person the oxygen of attention and sympathy and if you just left her alone, she'd wander off to more fertile playing fields. If you really wanted her to shut up, *you'd* shut up. She needs people to feed her her lines.
I think it is disingenuous of people to repeatedly and knowingly violate rules set up to protect them as well as morons, and then 'apologise' in other places. I think it is also disingenuous of list admins to claim authority to deliver smackdowns to morons when they nullify the impact of any admonitions in those other places to their friends.
Maybe I'm just incredibly naive. I've never been able to stand this kind of wolfpack mentality and it's no more attractive delivered at someone like Jeylan than at myself, or anyone else who happens to get on the tits of the alphas in a group. You've become popular and something of a BNF in a fairly short time, Em. Don't abuse that just to work off a grudge on an idiot who's just not worth your intellectual time.
You might also consider this - she may be deliberately offensive, but is it not a sign of some mental instability that she *needs* to do this? It's like some weird online Tourette's syndrome or something. Joust with the able-minded, it's a lot more fun.
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Re: Actually I think J-Blo is meaning to be offensive..
First up. I am a bitch. I never pretended to be otherwise. J-Blo seriously pissed me off. I agree that my response wasn't the best idea hence my apology and hence Sonia's smack down. Whether Sonia kicks me off the list is up to her, my post was made with the clear knowledge that this might happen. Hence the apology at the bottom when I posted.
Second. I actually think its far worse to snipe and bitch about someone behind their back. The woman knows I dislike her, I don't hide it. I actualy think its better to respond on list and get it out of my system then snipe in LJ or on private lists or to flame her in private mail. That way there is no pretence. J-Blo has personally insulted and annoyed the fuck out of me both on and off list. I lost the plot a bit. End of story.
Thirdly. How the fuck can I be a BNF when I've not contributed one bloody thing to the HL universe apart from daftness. I would like to think that people talk and respond to me and my posts because they enjoy the repartee and maybe like my company. Not because I have some sort of wanky fandom status. Not only that I could not give a *flying fuck* about making a *name* for myself in fandom. I do this for fun not because I require my ego massaged. I'd do it whether anyone responded to me or not.
Fourthly. I don't not care whether anyone thinks my behaviour is out of order and that includes you T. I don't limit my responses on list or off, in RL or on the internet because of fear of what people may think. I'm honest and sometimes that makes me rude. If people don't like me for that then they don't like me for it.
Fifthly. I don't actually consider my post on ODM that flamey. Its a bit too personal in places which is my bad but I would also be seriously interested in hearing J-Blo's responses to some of the points raised. As someone who has spent a large part of their life fighting gender roles for real I found her comments to be *unbelievably* insulting and naive. Alot of my response wasn't meant to be sarcastic.
Sixthly. Its far more insulting to state someone has mental instablity based on their posts then to call them stupid.
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And reading back through my initial response to this post T I should also add I'm not actually expecting anyone to condone my actions nor am I asking anyone to make exceptions for me.
You should definitely not be flamed for having your own opinion on this. The fact I don't agree with you makes very little difference to the fact I still consider you a friend or that I respect your opinions :)
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But like you, I prefer to be upfront with my views and my opinions. however, it has got me into a lot of shit in my life :)
I wasn't aware fuckface had flamed you off-list. I thought she was far to grand to respond to her critics. I hoped you've framed it. You know, for when that pro novel final gets published and she gets the recognition so long and so unfairly denied her. Then you can wipe a tear from your eye and say with a sniff, I too could have been a contender if only I'd listen to Jeylan's advice.
Or not, as the case may be.