I mean, yeah, I agree with every word in principle, but I'm watching the flaming and insulting of this cow on various lists which have very specific anti-flaming rules and the only person who is getting on list slaps is Jeylan. That's not fair and it's not honest. These are private lists - you can have in your rules, we don't want boring twats with no brains and no manners, fuck off. But if you *don't* have that in your rules, and you claim to be even handed, then you can't allow one pain in the arse to be flamed just because you don't like her. Ad hominem is ad hominem, doesn't matter who the target is. If the lists are bored to tears by this woman - and who isn't - then she should be be asked to leave for the good of the list. But this pecking to death by rabid ducks is making the fandom look bad, and worse - it's not convincing her of anything but HL is a shitty fandom.
So, whine in LJs, people, if you must - but this list stuff is really not doing your reps any good. It just makes Jeylan look like a victim. And you know what? I think she really is beginning to be. She's obviously mentally disturbed. At the very least, she's utterly incompatible with list culture and needs to ushered away from it, not used as a 'safe' target. I loathe her opinions as much as anyone else - but other people are really behaving as badly, if not worse than her, so that doesn't make them right.
And, I find her posts disntinctly deserving of the response she gets. Just because she's got enough brains to be open in her contempt doesn't mean she's any less deserving of being slapped for being rude.
However, I've said my bit. I'm extraordinarily drunk at the mo having just spent all day getting pissed with agents and quite frankly I don't care if anyone thinks I'm mean.
I apologised to Sonia cos its her list and I felt bad after I posted for giving her grief. That is the only thing I'm apologising for.
Sonia I love you darling as ever. T stop being bad tempered, what skin off your nose is it if we give this woman a hard time when your not even *in* the HL fandom any more...or so your keep telling us numerous times!
what skin off your nose is it if we give this woman a hard time when your not even *in* the HL fandom any more...
I care because it's making people I used to respect look like utter bitches, and a fandom in which I still have an interest, if not an active role, look mean and really rather vicious. I care because it's manifestly unfair, and I care because you're actually giving this stupid person the oxygen of attention and sympathy and if you just left her alone, she'd wander off to more fertile playing fields. If you really wanted her to shut up, *you'd* shut up. She needs people to feed her her lines.
I think it is disingenuous of people to repeatedly and knowingly violate rules set up to protect them as well as morons, and then 'apologise' in other places. I think it is also disingenuous of list admins to claim authority to deliver smackdowns to morons when they nullify the impact of any admonitions in those other places to their friends.
Maybe I'm just incredibly naive. I've never been able to stand this kind of wolfpack mentality and it's no more attractive delivered at someone like Jeylan than at myself, or anyone else who happens to get on the tits of the alphas in a group. You've become popular and something of a BNF in a fairly short time, Em. Don't abuse that just to work off a grudge on an idiot who's just not worth your intellectual time.
You might also consider this - she may be deliberately offensive, but is it not a sign of some mental instability that she *needs* to do this? It's like some weird online Tourette's syndrome or something. Joust with the able-minded, it's a lot more fun.
First up. I am a bitch. I never pretended to be otherwise. J-Blo seriously pissed me off. I agree that my response wasn't the best idea hence my apology and hence Sonia's smack down. Whether Sonia kicks me off the list is up to her, my post was made with the clear knowledge that this might happen. Hence the apology at the bottom when I posted.
Second. I actually think its far worse to snipe and bitch about someone behind their back. The woman knows I dislike her, I don't hide it. I actualy think its better to respond on list and get it out of my system then snipe in LJ or on private lists or to flame her in private mail. That way there is no pretence. J-Blo has personally insulted and annoyed the fuck out of me both on and off list. I lost the plot a bit. End of story.
Thirdly. How the fuck can I be a BNF when I've not contributed one bloody thing to the HL universe apart from daftness. I would like to think that people talk and respond to me and my posts because they enjoy the repartee and maybe like my company. Not because I have some sort of wanky fandom status. Not only that I could not give a *flying fuck* about making a *name* for myself in fandom. I do this for fun not because I require my ego massaged. I'd do it whether anyone responded to me or not.
Fourthly. I don't not care whether anyone thinks my behaviour is out of order and that includes you T. I don't limit my responses on list or off, in RL or on the internet because of fear of what people may think. I'm honest and sometimes that makes me rude. If people don't like me for that then they don't like me for it.
Fifthly. I don't actually consider my post on ODM that flamey. Its a bit too personal in places which is my bad but I would also be seriously interested in hearing J-Blo's responses to some of the points raised. As someone who has spent a large part of their life fighting gender roles for real I found her comments to be *unbelievably* insulting and naive. Alot of my response wasn't meant to be sarcastic.
Sixthly. Its far more insulting to state someone has mental instablity based on their posts then to call them stupid.
And reading back through my initial response to this post T I should also add I'm not actually expecting anyone to condone my actions nor am I asking anyone to make exceptions for me.
You should definitely not be flamed for having your own opinion on this. The fact I don't agree with you makes very little difference to the fact I still consider you a friend or that I respect your opinions :)
I think I should make it clear to both you and Sonia that while I may disapprove or question your *actions*, that is not the same as disapproving of *you.* I am capable of disliking a person *and* their actions (and their views and their writing abilities and the fact their bum is too big) but I will usually make it cystal clear that this is the case - usually by just ignoring that person.
But like you, I prefer to be upfront with my views and my opinions. however, it has got me into a lot of shit in my life :)
I wasn't aware fuckface had flamed you off-list. I thought she was far to grand to respond to her critics. I hoped you've framed it. You know, for when that pro novel final gets published and she gets the recognition so long and so unfairly denied her. Then you can wipe a tear from your eye and say with a sniff, I too could have been a contender if only I'd listen to Jeylan's advice.
And I don't think she's disturbed at all. I think she knows exactly what she's doing and she's having a whale of a time doing it. But that doesn't mean that I'm going to let people break the rules because I despise her personally.
ODM's rules state "Flames (personal attacks) are absolutely forbidden and will result in immediate unsubscription."
I presume Em and Diane are no longer members?
What truly sucks is not having to be fair to people we despise, but watching people bully someone else with impunity - *whoever* is doing it. Jeylan is not the only bigot, or wind bag or stupid person in HL fandom. She's not the only person with a stupidly skewed vision of Methos either. I've seen many people on many lists in different fandoms get up and state in boring, repetitive detail what they demand from stories too. No one seems to get their panties in a bunch about that.
Granted, she's a particularly offensive and stupid creature. I just don't think she's that extraordinary that all even handedness had to be ditched - but it has been. In this saga I have seen Jane Carnall, Taz, Em, Diane and several others launch outright personal attacks on Jeylan (or in Jane's case on someone else in a related thread) on two separate lists. I have not seen any of these people banned or even admonished on list. I *have* seen Jeylan repeatedly attacked, guillotined and flamed. This is not fair play. It's no defence to say she's a prat because that's the same defence the mad bitch who used to run ODM used to come up with. It's no defence to say that so and so is an old stager or a friend, because friendships are very fickle things in fandom, and one day someone you call a friend might launch an attack on someone you despise, and the next day, launch an attack on *you* (I refer to you to that self-same mad bitch again).
The only way of making sure the lists, at least, are pleasant and safe is to apply the rules in exactly the same way to everyone - or to be honest and say, nope, we're a bunch of friends who want to keep the poopy heads out so we can bitch about them behind their backs. That's what my own list is about and I make no pretence about it.
ODM, CE, ROG-L are all supposed to be different. So why aren't they?
Look, T, I'm not getting into this with you. You know as well as I do that I haven't unsubbed anybody over this so stop trying to make me feel like a hypocrite over it. The posts in question were minor stuff, nothing deserving of unsubscription - no death threats, name calling, or even any bad language.
I know you know what serious flaming is and this sure wasn't it.
Yes, people behaved inappropriately. And I have spoken to them about it and posted onlist about it. Am I going to do anything more than that? Probably not. But then that's my decision to make, given that it's my list and all.
I've answered you off list, and if anyone else want to bash me over this, please email me (mailto:tritorella@tantalis.org) so Em's journal doesn't become a Speaker's Corner.
Look, man, I just got snarky on ROG and I fully expect to be ejected for it. But I made that decision because what I had to say was more necessary than my membership on ROG-L. Not belittling the lsit, but won't someone stand up and take a stand instead of making sarcastic comments and roundabout mocking?
I have been meek for years, and you know what it got me? RUN OVER. I'm tired of this bitch, because what she does is passive trolling. And just because it's passive doesn't mean that it's not trolling. I have mailed her off list politely and she has never responded, and I'm not the only one. So the list is the only place to talk to her.
Should people be ejected because of the rule breakage? Yes. But in reality, there's no rule that covers her, either. No one bothered to write a passive trolling rule because no one bothered to think that there'd be need for one.
Should we go easy on Jeylan? Probably. Have I? Oh hell yes, I have. I have edited comments to death. Should I be tossed if I violate those rules? Yeah. But what about her? When is a mod going to step in and tell her that a list is agitated and she needs to shut the hell up? Not lately.
I'm amused by her presence, and I like mocking her on LJ and I like responding to her. She isn't a victim. I don't even think she's mentally ill, because I don't make that distinction until I see proof. I think she's an overopinionated self styled intellectual who thinks that she's right, and that she's pulled a Jesus and come J-Blo. That's not mental illness. That's desparate hubris.
When is a mod going to step in and tell her that a list is agitated and she needs to shut the hell up?
That would be a far more honest way of dealing with her. The list mods should throw her off their lists for the sake of the rest of their members and stand by their decision. But trying to be cute off list and authorative on it just makes you look two-faced.
If you flame, and you know you're broken the rules, and you stand by that decision, then at least that's honest. But to be fair, the mods should then toss you. I bet they won't. It comes down to who's their chum and who's not, and that just sucks.
Aaargh, this drives me mad! Why don't people just accept this cow is going to stomp off in short order, and prevent the damage she and the people she's inciting to attack are causing? All that's happening is the agony is being prolonged.
On the other hand, I made some snide comments, but I wonder if I'll get tossed. Not beause of the MODS, BUT BECAUSE i'M A BAD JUDGE OF WHAT IS FLAMEY. Really. I thought I'd get tossed long ago.
To be honest, I'm actually trying to argue with her points in an intellectual way. I think she's wrong, and I don't mind telling her that. I haven't really attacked her person onlist.
Aaargh, this drives me mad! Why don't people just accept this cow is going to stomp off in short order, and prevent the damage she and the people she's inciting to attack are causing? All that's happening is the agony is being prolonged.
The problem is that she ie not going to stomp off. And banning her outright wasn't really enough to deal with her. That's the problem. She doesn't really do enough to be banned for flaming, and sooner or later she will reappear in another place. I've seen her on four lists, and on every list she managed to annoy people.
I can only speak for myself. I feel personally offended that she assumes she's the only person with the right opinion. I personally disagree with her, and I don't care if other agree with her or with me. I've read polite, well-reasoned replies to her posts, as well as those bordering on flames or being outright personal attacks. The latter made me really uncomfortable, but I admit that I don't like her and I think she's arrogant and annoying. And I have every right to express my opinion. But I'm trying very hard to be polite and deal with her opinions not with her, which I reserve for my LJ where I can do whatever I please.
By the way, I'm not trying to bash you. I can see where you're coming from. Rules are rules and breaking them should result in being tossed no matter who you are. Sorry, Em, but I've witnessed enough flame wars. Then again, she surely made the fandom interesting.
As one of those lurkers people keep referring to in this matter,...;-)
I'll have to say I understand all sides of this argument, even J's. Not that I agree with her in any way.
I too think she's annoying.
I don't agree with her opinions, the way she expresses them, or the way she keeps ignoring all rational arguments and relevant evidence against her purported opinion. Again and again.
But... Tritorella makes a point; She's no worse than many others, just more persistent. Understandable and enjoyable as Em's outburst was, Sonja was perfectly justified with her slight slapdown.
I also agree with Tritorella on the point that it's not going to do you ( any of you ) any good to attack her on a personal level. There are many people on these lists who aren't on any of the others,so the references to her past posts on different lists aren't going to make any sense.They only come through as unnecessary, uncalled-for sarcasm.
The way to handle this,IMHO, is to ignore her to death. I've noticed that it's mostly well known names that enter in long arguments with her. The random posters don't bother beyond a couple of replies. So.... DON'T REPLY!
This Tic-Tac-Toe thing on ROG-L is a good example. There is in fact a guaranteed way to win in tic-tac-toe, if you're the one starting, no cheating involved, but that minor fact is not going to make any difference to this conversation. She didn't start this thread to discuss that (totally faulty) Barnes & Nobles book she started to talk about.She wants to talk about Methos cheating.No news there. The utterly unnecessary appeal to a questionable authority is just typical of her.
I admired the nonsense replies, but I thought she'd nevertheless reply. And she did.
She responded quite seriously.
Ignore her!
Hopefully she'll go away.
Stasha,
Who,as a rule tries to avoid posting when drunk, 'cause she has no internal censorship when soused.
The problem that I have't learned is that I'f LIKE to have a disussion like this with someone, but she's the only one offering anything like it. For now.
I'm done replying to her, and am moing it to my LJ instead.
You could always try making less sense. Or if that doesn't work either, end every other post by indirectly insulting most of the list members. I bet that'd get you replied to.
This is going to be my new response to everything that I think sucks. Beware the fatal signal of "I like gum". It's like hearing the gong and knowing that your act sucked.
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I mean, yeah, I agree with every word in principle, but I'm watching the flaming and insulting of this cow on various lists which have very specific anti-flaming rules and the only person who is getting on list slaps is Jeylan. That's not fair and it's not honest. These are private lists - you can have in your rules, we don't want boring twats with no brains and no manners, fuck off. But if you *don't* have that in your rules, and you claim to be even handed, then you can't allow one pain in the arse to be flamed just because you don't like her. Ad hominem is ad hominem, doesn't matter who the target is. If the lists are bored to tears by this woman - and who isn't - then she should be be asked to leave for the good of the list. But this pecking to death by rabid ducks is making the fandom look bad, and worse - it's not convincing her of anything but HL is a shitty fandom.
So, whine in LJs, people, if you must - but this list stuff is really not doing your reps any good. It just makes Jeylan look like a victim. And you know what? I think she really is beginning to be. She's obviously mentally disturbed. At the very least, she's utterly incompatible with list culture and needs to ushered away from it, not used as a 'safe' target. I loathe her opinions as much as anyone else - but other people are really behaving as badly, if not worse than her, so that doesn't make them right.
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Actually I think J-Blo is meaning to be offensive..
And, I find her posts disntinctly deserving of the response she gets. Just because she's got enough brains to be open in her contempt doesn't mean she's any less deserving of being slapped for being rude.
However, I've said my bit. I'm extraordinarily drunk at the mo having just spent all day getting pissed with agents and quite frankly I don't care if anyone thinks I'm mean.
I apologised to Sonia cos its her list and I felt bad after I posted for giving her grief. That is the only thing I'm apologising for.
Sonia I love you darling as ever. T stop being bad tempered, what skin off your nose is it if we give this woman a hard time when your not even *in* the HL fandom any more...or so your keep telling us numerous times!
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I care because it's making people I used to respect look like utter bitches, and a fandom in which I still have an interest, if not an active role, look mean and really rather vicious. I care because it's manifestly unfair, and I care because you're actually giving this stupid person the oxygen of attention and sympathy and if you just left her alone, she'd wander off to more fertile playing fields. If you really wanted her to shut up, *you'd* shut up. She needs people to feed her her lines.
I think it is disingenuous of people to repeatedly and knowingly violate rules set up to protect them as well as morons, and then 'apologise' in other places. I think it is also disingenuous of list admins to claim authority to deliver smackdowns to morons when they nullify the impact of any admonitions in those other places to their friends.
Maybe I'm just incredibly naive. I've never been able to stand this kind of wolfpack mentality and it's no more attractive delivered at someone like Jeylan than at myself, or anyone else who happens to get on the tits of the alphas in a group. You've become popular and something of a BNF in a fairly short time, Em. Don't abuse that just to work off a grudge on an idiot who's just not worth your intellectual time.
You might also consider this - she may be deliberately offensive, but is it not a sign of some mental instability that she *needs* to do this? It's like some weird online Tourette's syndrome or something. Joust with the able-minded, it's a lot more fun.
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First up. I am a bitch. I never pretended to be otherwise. J-Blo seriously pissed me off. I agree that my response wasn't the best idea hence my apology and hence Sonia's smack down. Whether Sonia kicks me off the list is up to her, my post was made with the clear knowledge that this might happen. Hence the apology at the bottom when I posted.
Second. I actually think its far worse to snipe and bitch about someone behind their back. The woman knows I dislike her, I don't hide it. I actualy think its better to respond on list and get it out of my system then snipe in LJ or on private lists or to flame her in private mail. That way there is no pretence. J-Blo has personally insulted and annoyed the fuck out of me both on and off list. I lost the plot a bit. End of story.
Thirdly. How the fuck can I be a BNF when I've not contributed one bloody thing to the HL universe apart from daftness. I would like to think that people talk and respond to me and my posts because they enjoy the repartee and maybe like my company. Not because I have some sort of wanky fandom status. Not only that I could not give a *flying fuck* about making a *name* for myself in fandom. I do this for fun not because I require my ego massaged. I'd do it whether anyone responded to me or not.
Fourthly. I don't not care whether anyone thinks my behaviour is out of order and that includes you T. I don't limit my responses on list or off, in RL or on the internet because of fear of what people may think. I'm honest and sometimes that makes me rude. If people don't like me for that then they don't like me for it.
Fifthly. I don't actually consider my post on ODM that flamey. Its a bit too personal in places which is my bad but I would also be seriously interested in hearing J-Blo's responses to some of the points raised. As someone who has spent a large part of their life fighting gender roles for real I found her comments to be *unbelievably* insulting and naive. Alot of my response wasn't meant to be sarcastic.
Sixthly. Its far more insulting to state someone has mental instablity based on their posts then to call them stupid.
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And reading back through my initial response to this post T I should also add I'm not actually expecting anyone to condone my actions nor am I asking anyone to make exceptions for me.
You should definitely not be flamed for having your own opinion on this. The fact I don't agree with you makes very little difference to the fact I still consider you a friend or that I respect your opinions :)
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But like you, I prefer to be upfront with my views and my opinions. however, it has got me into a lot of shit in my life :)
I wasn't aware fuckface had flamed you off-list. I thought she was far to grand to respond to her critics. I hoped you've framed it. You know, for when that pro novel final gets published and she gets the recognition so long and so unfairly denied her. Then you can wipe a tear from your eye and say with a sniff, I too could have been a contender if only I'd listen to Jeylan's advice.
Or not, as the case may be.
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It sucks having to be fair to people I despise.
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And I don't think she's disturbed at all. I think she knows exactly what she's doing and she's having a whale of a time doing it. But that doesn't mean that I'm going to let people break the rules because I despise her personally.
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I presume Em and Diane are no longer members?
What truly sucks is not having to be fair to people we despise, but watching people bully someone else with impunity - *whoever* is doing it. Jeylan is not the only bigot, or wind bag or stupid person in HL fandom. She's not the only person with a stupidly skewed vision of Methos either. I've seen many people on many lists in different fandoms get up and state in boring, repetitive detail what they demand from stories too. No one seems to get their panties in a bunch about that.
Granted, she's a particularly offensive and stupid creature. I just don't think she's that extraordinary that all even handedness had to be ditched - but it has been. In this saga I have seen Jane Carnall, Taz, Em, Diane and several others launch outright personal attacks on Jeylan (or in Jane's case on someone else in a related thread) on two separate lists. I have not seen any of these people banned or even admonished on list. I *have* seen Jeylan repeatedly attacked, guillotined and flamed. This is not fair play. It's no defence to say she's a prat because that's the same defence the mad bitch who used to run ODM used to come up with. It's no defence to say that so and so is an old stager or a friend, because friendships are very fickle things in fandom, and one day someone you call a friend might launch an attack on someone you despise, and the next day, launch an attack on *you* (I refer to you to that self-same mad bitch again).
The only way of making sure the lists, at least, are pleasant and safe is to apply the rules in exactly the same way to everyone - or to be honest and say, nope, we're a bunch of friends who want to keep the poopy heads out so we can bitch about them behind their backs. That's what my own list is about and I make no pretence about it.
ODM, CE, ROG-L are all supposed to be different. So why aren't they?
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I know you know what serious flaming is and this sure wasn't it.
Yes, people behaved inappropriately. And I have spoken to them about it and posted onlist about it. Am I going to do anything more than that? Probably not. But then that's my decision to make, given that it's my list and all.
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*snogs with tongues*
And much groping. Will ring you over weekend!
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Have fun! Can you email me your telephone number to my blood-lkust email account as I stupidly left your email at my work.
*shakes head* I have *such* a bad headache to day!
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Been working on my next one tonight *g*.
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Did you send the email? Cos I can't find it in my account?
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I have no idea who this is in response to.
I have been meek for years, and you know what it got me? RUN OVER. I'm tired of this bitch, because what she does is passive trolling. And just because it's passive doesn't mean that it's not trolling. I have mailed her off list politely and she has never responded, and I'm not the only one. So the list is the only place to talk to her.
Should people be ejected because of the rule breakage? Yes. But in reality, there's no rule that covers her, either. No one bothered to write a passive trolling rule because no one bothered to think that there'd be need for one.
Should we go easy on Jeylan? Probably. Have I? Oh hell yes, I have. I have edited comments to death. Should I be tossed if I violate those rules? Yeah. But what about her? When is a mod going to step in and tell her that a list is agitated and she needs to shut the hell up? Not lately.
I'm amused by her presence, and I like mocking her on LJ and I like responding to her. She isn't a victim. I don't even think she's mentally ill, because I don't make that distinction until I see proof. I think she's an overopinionated self styled intellectual who thinks that she's right, and that she's pulled a Jesus and come J-Blo. That's not mental illness. That's desparate hubris.
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That would be a far more honest way of dealing with her. The list mods should throw her off their lists for the sake of the rest of their members and stand by their decision. But trying to be cute off list and authorative on it just makes you look two-faced.
If you flame, and you know you're broken the rules, and you stand by that decision, then at least that's honest. But to be fair, the mods should then toss you. I bet they won't. It comes down to who's their chum and who's not, and that just sucks.
Aaargh, this drives me mad! Why don't people just accept this cow is going to stomp off in short order, and prevent the damage she and the people she's inciting to attack are causing? All that's happening is the agony is being prolonged.
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To be honest, I'm actually trying to argue with her points in an intellectual way. I think she's wrong, and I don't mind telling her that. I haven't really attacked her person onlist.
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The problem is that she ie not going to stomp off. And banning her outright wasn't really enough to deal with her. That's the problem. She doesn't really do enough to be banned for flaming, and sooner or later she will reappear in another place. I've seen her on four lists, and on every list she managed to annoy people.
I can only speak for myself. I feel personally offended that she assumes she's the only person with the right opinion. I personally disagree with her, and I don't care if other agree with her or with me. I've read polite, well-reasoned replies to her posts, as well as those bordering on flames or being outright personal attacks. The latter made me really uncomfortable, but I admit that I don't like her and I think she's arrogant and annoying. And I have every right to express my opinion. But I'm trying very hard to be polite and deal with her opinions not with her, which I reserve for my LJ where I can do whatever I please.
By the way, I'm not trying to bash you. I can see where you're coming from. Rules are rules and breaking them should result in being tossed no matter who you are. Sorry, Em, but I've witnessed enough flame wars. Then again, she surely made the fandom interesting.
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Hey I'm a miserable old cow. Flame wars are not fun and I did not expect anyone to condone or applaud my behaviour :)
It is good to know that she gets that far up other people's noses as well.
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I'll have to say I understand all sides of this argument, even J's.
Not that I agree with her in any way.
I too think she's annoying.
I don't agree with her opinions, the way she expresses them, or the way she keeps ignoring all rational arguments and relevant evidence against her purported opinion. Again and again.
But... Tritorella makes a point; She's no worse than many others, just more persistent.
Understandable and enjoyable as Em's outburst was, Sonja was perfectly justified with her slight slapdown.
I also agree with Tritorella on the point that it's not going to do you ( any of you ) any good to attack her on a personal level. There are many people on these lists who aren't on any of the others,so the references to her past posts on different lists aren't going to make any sense.They only come through as unnecessary, uncalled-for sarcasm.
The way to handle this,IMHO, is to ignore her to death. I've noticed that it's mostly well known names that enter in long arguments with her. The random posters don't bother beyond a couple of replies.
So.... DON'T REPLY!
This Tic-Tac-Toe thing on ROG-L is a good example.
There is in fact a guaranteed way to win in tic-tac-toe, if you're the one starting, no cheating involved, but that minor fact is not going to make any difference to this conversation. She didn't start this thread to discuss that (totally faulty) Barnes & Nobles book she started to talk about.She wants to talk about Methos cheating.No news there.
The utterly unnecessary appeal to a questionable authority is just typical of her.
I admired the nonsense replies, but I thought she'd nevertheless reply. And she did.
She responded quite seriously.
Ignore her!
Hopefully she'll go away.
Stasha,
Who,as a rule tries to avoid posting when drunk, 'cause she has no internal censorship when soused.
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I'm done replying to her, and am moing it to my LJ instead.
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The fancy wording doesn't really hide that.
For an interesting debate you need to start an interesting conversation.( and ignore the troll when she shows up)
Stasha
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Well I'm very new to HL...
But I love your comments and anytime you wanna have a Methos discussion I'm there. Just give me some warning given the time zone difference :)
*glomps Amand-r*
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This is going to be my new response to everything that I think sucks. Beware the fatal signal of "I like gum". It's like hearing the gong and knowing that your act sucked.
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Hey Stasha!
Sonia was entirely justified in her smack down. No arguments there :)
Infact I knew it would happen and was braced for far worse consequences.
You are right that ignoring the woman is the sensible option. I am afraid I have a very bad temper at times however. My bad.
I don't regret anything I said though :)
And your ight about not drinking and posting. Definitely not the best idea in the world but it does lead to some interesting discussions :)