Wow! You know you've *arrived* in a fandom when you get accused of being in a clique!

So a big hand please for the lovely Ms [personal profile] mckrycek who unmasked herself as the Anonymous poster I mentioned previously and then proceeded to leave this adoring love letter as a reply thus proving once again that absolutely everyone wants to have sex with me as well as the fact that I am 'teh EVIL' and you should all grovel in fear and awe at my feet!

Now that I have reached this pinnacle of achievement in fandom I shall of course expect everyone to address me as Ser Evil Dr Em (none of this Evil Drem nonsense) and then make the sign of the horns as a show of respect.

I shall also set up my own private moderated mailing list where I shall forbid anyone to even *think* the name of mine enemies in the FAQ and shall hide my fic in a password protected archive (the password of which I shall change whenever the moon is in Aries) so that only those I deem suitably sycophantic and worthy can read it.

*Mwahahahahahaha*

From: [identity profile] tritorella.livejournal.com


I shall also set up my own private moderated mailing list where I shall forbid anyone to even *think* the name of mine enemies in the FAQ and shall hide my fic in a password protected archive (the password of which I shall change whenever the moon is in Aries) so that only those I deem suitably sycophantic and worthy can read it.

but darling, that's just so five minutes ago. And didn't you know, if you do it, it's evil and vicious, but if they do it, it must be pure and sweet? How can you ever hope to run a decent clique if you don't learn the rules of the game?

I'm now screening all non-friends comments in my LJ. Not that I ever *say* anything in my LJ that would inspire these idiots, but inspiration being ever lacking in their tiny brains, that's never stopped them from making a fool of themselves in public. Doubtless much headshaking will occur in their entirely free and open LJs and mailing lists - you know, the ones that anyone can join, whatever their IP address or who their friends are - but the lovely thing about that is that I don't have to see it.

Which is, as ever, the way I like it. Don't need to see their putrid views, their putrid fiction or their putrid selves. It's utter bliss.

From: [identity profile] mckrycek.livejournal.com


I take it then that writing your ever so loving poem about Leslie was an act of... what? Kindness? Admiration?

Clique? Excuse me while I laugh.

Oh yes, you are the poor, defenseless victim in this...

J
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From: [identity profile] evildrem.livejournal.com

No it was an act of mocking..



..for I am EVIL.

What's your excuse for the campaign of hate your waging against Trit?

Public service?

From: [identity profile] mckrycek.livejournal.com

Re: No it was an act of mocking..


Gee.
Could it be that I *know* what she's said about Leslie?

Or maybe my knowledge of what she's done to other fans? (Say, outing a slash writer to her very Christian employer)

Don't believe that one? LOL. Don't suppose you'd like to see proof? Hell, you wouldn't believe it, even if I showed you...

Because, as we ALL know ::insert scornful laughter:: Trit is a paragon of innocense. She never trashes newbies' fic efforts. Never uses sockpuppets. Never, ever says anything mean about anyone in fandom.

J

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From: [identity profile] evildrem.livejournal.com

*blinks*


Gee.
Could it be that I *know* what she's said about Leslie?


And? So what? Who cares? Trit doesn't like Leslies' recent fiction so has decided to stop hosting her fic. Big deal. What business is it of yours?

Or maybe my knowledge of what she's done to other fans? (Say, outing a slash writer to her very Christian employer)

Ahh this story again.

Don't believe that one? LOL. Don't suppose you'd like to see proof? Hell, you wouldn't believe it, even if I showed you...

Actually I'd love to see actual proof of this vile act of betrayal that you claim Trit is guilty of. So far all I've seen are accusations.

If you can prove such a nasty accusation then I might give some weight to your words. Otherwise I shall just file the accusation along with all the others that have been slung around about Trit. Fandom is rife with people claiming all sorts of things. Why should I believe you?

Because, as we ALL know ::insert scornful laughter:: Trit is a paragon of innocense. She never trashes newbies' fic efforts. Never uses sockpuppets. Never, ever says anything mean about anyone in fandom.

So Trit is a loud mouthed bitch. I wasn't aware this was illegal. I'm also again not sure why this is something I, or infact anyone else should care about.

If you don't like Trit why not just ignore her. I can't understand the need to keep telling people over and over how much you hate her and how bad a person she is. You don't like her. I get that. I don't care.

From: [identity profile] mckrycek.livejournal.com

Re: *blinks*


I think you're missing my point.
Sure, we ALL know what a bitch she is.
But...
Does that justify what she's said about Les? Does that justify her denying that she *approved* the dreaded sequel - which, I might add, she edited and archived. And said she liked???
Not my business? Dammit, when one such as Trit treats someone this way it *becomes* my business!
Or should we all ignore such vicious shit?
Hmmm.
Switzerland I ain't.
I refuse to not comment. I refuse to just say "it's not my problem".
Too many people, in all walks of life, take that attitude!
J
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From: [identity profile] evildrem.livejournal.com

Ahhh


I think you're missing my point.
Sure, we ALL know what a bitch she is.
But...
Does that justify what she's said about Les? Does that justify her denying that she *approved* the dreaded sequel - which, I might add, she edited and archived. And said she liked???


You know, Trit is entitled to say what she likes to whatever she likes and she's also entitled to change her opinion. Why should she have to justify it to anyone.

For the record I don't think much of Leslie's fic either.

The fact you don't like what Trit said it is of little consequence. If Leslie has a problem with this why doesn't she discuss it directly with Trit. Infact why are you involved at all.

I'm sure Leslie can defend herself if she wants to.

I'd also love to what exactly Trit is supposed to have said about Leslie? And more importantly how you have got see it. Could the saint-like Leslie perhaps have been sharing private mail with people again.

Gosh. How very ethical of her.

Not my business? Dammit, when one such as Trit treats someone this way it *becomes* my business!
Or should we all ignore such vicious shit?
Hmmm.


*sporfle* Who died and appointed you as queen? I repeat again why should I get involved or care about a dispute between two people about the hosting of fic. *shrug*

..And of course it's not vicious at all to go round making accusations about people which you can't prove is it? I notice you've ignored my request for actual proof of Trit outing someone to their workplace.

Switzerland I ain't.
I refuse to not comment. I refuse to just say "it's not my problem".
Too many people, in all walks of life, take that attitude


No instead you take sides in an argument that does not concern you, make a snap judgment based on one person's point of view and then decide to spew accusations and bile all over people's live journals because you are the champion of the fucking oppressed!

Bollocks!

Let's also note here that this all started because you chose to believe that a totally unrelated post in my LJ was referring to you and your 'friends'.

No you ain't Switzerland honey. Your some kinda rabid dictatorship.

From: [identity profile] lordriffington.livejournal.com


thus proving once again that absolutely everyone wants to have sex with me as well as the fact that I am 'teh EVIL'

<Banky>But...isn't that true?</Banky>
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From: [identity profile] evildrem.livejournal.com

*snort*



Yes! FEAR my EVIL!

And just for that you get the berserker icon...*grins*

From: [identity profile] nmg.livejournal.com


[...] thus proving once again that absolutely everyone wants to have sex with me as well as the fact that I am 'teh EVIL' and you should all grovel in fear and awe at my feet!

I know this is a little foward of me, but may I bear your children?


* * *


As a non-slashfic fan, I'm finding this exchange utterly bewildering. I know who Leslie Fish is, from my dark past as a filk fan. Some of her filks have been pretty good, some have been stinkers. I know what her politics are; I may not agree with them, but I appreciate those times that she has tried not to let her politics get in the way of a good song. I'd expect her slashfics to be much the same.


What I don't understand is why it is so offensive that the maintainer of an archive of slashfic should impose any sort of editorial control. Sturgeon's Law, people!

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From: [identity profile] evildrem.livejournal.com

But sir..



I know this is a little foward of me, but may I bear your children?

..your married *winks* But I'll bear you in mind as a child bearer should I decide to breed

This is just a small sample of how pathetic slash fandom can get. You wait..it'll probably get worse :)

From: [identity profile] nmg.livejournal.com


Of course I'm married, but what's the point of Wednesdays if I can't invent new and bewildering grand passions?


I guess I find slash fandom a bit bewildering in general. Mark me down as a lit SF fan who got lost while looking for the dealer room.


From: [identity profile] tritorella.livejournal.com


I'm not exercising editorial control. I just choose not to archive stories which offend me (and no, we're not talking about the abortion of a sequel that Ms Fish wrote, entirely with my permission but entirely without my cooperation), by people who bore or offend me.

if I wanted to archive all the wankers in the world, there would be a note to that effect on my website, along with a request for a fee to help pay for the cost of it all. As it happens, strangely, i do not wish to do this.

From: [identity profile] nmg.livejournal.com


I'd argue that the choice you're making (whether or not to archive) is a form of editorial control, but that's entirely your prerogative as the sole financial supporter of the archive. To my mind, this is exactly the same as if you were assembling an anthology fanzine of stories that you liked, and paying for it out of your own pocket.


I think your decision not to archive the world is entirely reasonable.


From: [identity profile] tritorella.livejournal.com


I'd argue that the choice you're making (whether or not to archive) is a form of editorial control

I suppose it is, in that way - i don't edit (and never would) individuals stories, and if I archive an author, subject to my webhost's legal controls, I don't say what they can't have. But as for an author's entire ouevre - especially when that ouevre (a) reeks and (b) requires me to spend a shit load of time formatting each fucking offering? Not doing that for people I don't really like, not any more.

From: [identity profile] nmg.livejournal.com


Ah, right. I see where we were talking at cross purposes. I'm most used to academic publishing, where an editorial board decides whether or not to publish an article. The editorial board is distinct from the editorial staff (subeditors, mostly) who correct our speeling mistaeks and turn our lumpen prose into poetry. Or something like that.


Generally, life is too short to correct other people's writing, and the gains are minimal.


From: [identity profile] cara-chapel.livejournal.com

Be original!


Dude, I beat you to at least 3/4 of that when I was still cutting my milk teeth back in TPM.

I propose bi-weekly executions instead. And do it by lottery-- predictability kills fan villains D-E-D. You'll be much more fearsome if you execute one of your closest minions on an irregular basis along with your enemies.

;-D

From: [identity profile] cara-chapel.livejournal.com

Re: Be original!


Ah, but a GOOD fan villain gets around that problem by creating sock puppets and pretending to be her own minions.

Quite elegantly simple.

From: [identity profile] lastrega.livejournal.com

Re: Be original!


The sockpuppet industry just hasn't been the same since every fen and her dog learned how to look up IP addresses.

Of course not all of them know how to do it properly, which leads to some amusing mistakes, but you get that when you deal with the mentally challenged.
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From: [identity profile] evildrem.livejournal.com

Hmmmm



You know you may have a point there. I can't really expect the right level of fear and trembling if I don't behave in suitably unpredictable manner..

I think I'll claim one of my minions insulted me and told my boss I write kink. When challenged on this I shall get hysterical and create a webpage full of accusations as proof.

Then I'll pretend to kill myself.


From: [identity profile] lastrega.livejournal.com

Re: Hmmmm


Then I'll pretend to kill myself.

Cool! We haven't had a good pseudocide in years. Just give me some warning so I can make popcorn.

And tremble in fear of course.

From: [identity profile] cara-chapel.livejournal.com

Re: Hmmmm


That's more like it! Still not original, but much more entertaining. ;-D

From: [identity profile] tritorella.livejournal.com

Re: Hmmmm


No, no, first you claim you are going to leave fandom forever, and *pretend* to kill yourself.

You have to get all the attention seeking behaviours in the right order, you see, or you lose all credibility
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From: [identity profile] beeej.livejournal.com


thus proving once again that absolutely everyone wants to have sex with me as well as the fact that I am 'teh EVIL

Speaking of which, how many more hours before I see you? *g*

(none of this Evil Drem nonsense)

Hee. :)

From: [identity profile] dkwilliams.livejournal.com


Now that I have reached this pinnacle of achievement in fandom I shall of course expect everyone to address me as Ser Evil Dr Em (none of this Evil Drem nonsense) and then make the sign of the horns as a show of respect.

Ser Evil Dr Em:
I lie prostrate at your feet, trembling in fear. No, that is not me giggling. Although I think that all the eye-rolling I'm doing has caused some permanent damage.

Lord, just when you think the fandom can't get any wankier, someone pops up to prove that you're wrong.
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From: [personal profile] cruisedirector


CLIQUE! *screams and hides under the table* Cuz, like, that's never happened in fandom before.

I want to have sex with you but I can't reeeeeeeeaaaaaach! *sobs*

And I loved Leslie's Trek fic back in the day, and am a HL ignoramus...does that mean your clique AND her clique must now all unFriend me? *sobs*

From: [identity profile] lastrega.livejournal.com


does that mean your clique AND her clique must now all unFriend me? *sobs*

Noooooo!!!!!!!!!!!! Never happen. *hugs you*

From: [identity profile] bethcarielle.livejournal.com


Oooo

Ser Evil Dr Em

*grovels accordingly*

Can I peel you a grape? Water your plants? Wax your, er, uh, car? Just let me know.
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